Book | 1883: Origin of the Western Nations & Languages by Charles Lasalle

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I'm looking for Charles Lasalle and not reading the book. This is frustrating.

Google assures me that he and Edwards Sylvester Ellis are one and the same (bottom right):
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Unfortunately, I can't confirm this easily. But if Charles Lassalle is Edward Sylvester Ellis, then I become suspicious about the production of this book, Origin of the Western Nations & Languages.

Like a 19th century exhibition, the collected works of "Edward S. Ellis" span key categories of the modern world-- profusely so. Ellis wrote about the wild west, steam punk, US presidents, world history and philology-- all while teaching and administering schools.

Take this bit for example: "Ellis was a very prolific writer, producing at first chiefly fiction. Besides writing for Beadle, he wrote also for the Fireside Companion, Saturday Night, Family Story Paper, New York Weekly, Frank Leslie's Boys' and Girls' Weekly, Golden Days, Golden Argosy, etc. His juvenile stories had an enormous sale, ranking with those of William T. Adams and Horatio Alger. Later he wrote an arithmetic and a physiology, and also some fifty large quarto volumes of history, containing tens of thousands of pages and thousands of illustrations. Some of his miscellaneous books were: "Continental Primary Physiology" (1885), "Eclectic Primary History of the United States" (1885), "Youth's History of the United States," four volumes, 1,516 pages and hundreds of illustrations (1887), "School History of the United States" (1892), "Great Leaders and National Issues" (1896), "History of Our Country" (1896), "People's Standard History of the United States," six volumes (1898), "The Story of South Africa" (1899), "Library of American History" in nine volumes with 1,200 illustrations, "Young People's Imitation of Christ" (1905), "A School History of New Jersey" (1910), "A History of the German People" (in collaboration with Home and Keller), fifteen volumes and some 6,000 pages (1916), "The Story of the Greatest Nations" (in collaboration with Home), ten volumes, and various other books. I regret very much that I did not have a book like Ellis' "Youth's History of the United States" when I was a boy, in place of a history that was simply a mass of names and dates of battles, as are, I am afraid, many of the modern school histories."

At this point, I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but I wager Mr. Ellis (Lassalle) was an intelligence creation. He and his team spun yarns for the people intelligent enough to wake up from the weird stupor of the late 19th century-- filling their heads with fantasies that would last a life time.
See CM Russell.

I should also note that this name, Ellis, is big in the peerage.

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In Portland, Oregon the Ellis family is like the Gates family in Seattle. In fact, Ellis, Jr has a Gates (and a Lee) as advisors on his business projects.

Ellis, Jr-- of course-- went to Harvard and immediately published an expose on skinheads in Portland after he graduated. I can't find any reference to that front-page series of undercover investigative articles in this search. That is strange. It was hyped for sure at the time-- 1987 or so.

I knew Barnes, and I knew Portland. But I never knew any neo-Nazi skinheads in Portland, Oregon.

Same as it ever (never) was....
 
Edwards Sylvester Ellis
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1840 - 1916​

This Edwards Sylvester Ellis was indeed one prolific writer. Besides the one hundred fifty-nine books published by his own name, Ellis' work was published under various pseudonyms, including:
  • "James Fenimore Cooper Adams" or "Captain Bruin Adams" (68 titles)
  • "Boynton M. Belknap" (9 titles)
  • "J. G. Bethune" (1 title)
  • "Captain Latham C. Carleton" (2 titles)
  • "Frank Faulkner" (1 title)
  • "Capt. R. M. Hawthorne" (4 titles)
  • "Lieut. Ned Hunter" (5 titles)
  • "Lieut. R. H. Jayne" (at least 2 titles in the War Whoop series)
  • "Charles E. Lasalle" (16 titles)
  • "H. R. Millbank" (3 titles)
  • "Billex Muller" (3 titles)
  • "Lieut. J. H. Randolph" (8 titles)
  • "Emerson Rodman" (10 titles)
  • "E. A. St. Mox" (2 titles)
  • "Seelin Robins" (19 titles)
  • Total books: 159 + 153 = 312
I understand pen names, pseudonyms and stuff, but why would someone need that many names? There is something weird about that.

I'm somewhat surprised, but I do recognize quite a few titles of the books attributed to Ellis via various pen names.

Interesting that one of the books attributed to him is the Steam Man of the Prairies. This books cover was used in the below article:
That is if Edwards Sylvester Ellis's Charles E. Lasalle was indeed Charles Lassalle in question.
 
I want to like, read, and learn this book-- despite my suspicions. Why? Because philology promises to make sensible (that is articulate) the seemingly inaccessible origins of consciousness and culture.

I'm not a formidable linguist. But comparative linguistics interests me as much as it frustrates me. (Alas, only so much time in this life). All that said, when I read a book like this, I run into problems such as this:

Regarding Shaftesbury, p.66, he has this to say:

Shows the Hebrew , Iberian and Scythian of Uryankhai and Kinsha ; for Sha is undoubtedly Hebrew, Iberian and Scythian, and verily means both work and rest; Ha being the Iberian for do,and Sha, also the Iberian for Stop.

Ok, well enough. But I immediately think of Sha in Mandarin Chinese. Since Chinese is homophonic and since each phoneme has potentially 5 different tones, Sha can have many meanings. And this fact compounds problems when comparing it to other languages. For instance, 殺 (Sha) means to kill or murder. So could Shaftesbury mean to kill and bury? Might it be that "to shaft someone" is based on this correspondence? Sha can also mean sand (沙). Thus sand burial or sand hill? Sha can also mean "foolish" (傻)-- as in a fool on the hill?

The questions never end.
 
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Because I find this information interesting, when compared to the narrative.
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He repeatedly, and very matter-of-factly refers to the Americas as America-Atlantis multiple times in "Origins of the Western Nations and Languages. I'm about 2/3 of the way through it now. Some of the connections he makes between words of different languages don't make sense to me, but I think he presents a ton of evidence that the Iberian languages (French and Spanish), English, and Scythian pre-date Sanskrit. I speak French, English, and Spanish, so I'm able to follow some of his deductions. He insists Sanskrit is amalgamated from them, and not the other way around. He also states repeatedly that the great works of the ancients, like massive man-made lakes, earthworks, and megalithic structures we the work of the Scythians/Iberians/Tibetans, and that the Tartarians, among other warlike races were merely conquerors and usurpers who slaughtered and stole cities from the Scythians. It actually rings a little true when I look at the maps that say Tartaria Olim (formerly) Scythia.
 
hi, the title of the book seems very interesting.

it is said that sentences in mayan are in sanskrit.
but mayan is also chinese. (mayan book of the death, translates mayan directly to chinese)

I speak spanish.
english, french, spanish, are linked to latin system.
but english used the german system to build the verbs. (run ran =rennen rannen, drink drank=trink trunk, etc)

roman and greek have crossed words that precede the equivalent in the other language, which shows that the timeline of roman and greek languages are not what the masses believe.

it is said that
a,i,u original sounds.
e,o second sounds.

tartarians include arian in their name. vowels a,i
iberians includes erians in their name. arians that are not the original, a concept adopted. the e is a second generation.
iberians, siberians, liberians.... =erians...
hiber...hibrid.

adopted words in spanish goes to e.

i have found that the past of the verb to be in spanish, and the past of the ver to go in spanish is the same,
past of I was is "Yo fui", past of I go is "yo fui", which is equal in spanish.

it is different from the "I think, ergo I am" ( i think, therefore I am) which justify their existence.

" I go" is a geographically movement: from one place to another place.

the spanish languages said "I went, therefore I was" (past of I, then past of I am). their existence is justified as they went from one place to another.
that is inserted at the core of the spanish language.


for me, languages should start simple and then get complex over the time, as they agglomerate, add, or join more concepts.

I see that sanskrit and other languages with all their declinations are complex, then those were not the original language.
those fit in the divide and conquer (babel tower- multiple languages to divide people)

babylon, baal, baba, papá, father...
then baal is not that the dogma teaches.

every iteration repeats the same tales, but there is a geographical movement.
for example, "manoa, el dorado" previously was in another place. and in this iteration corresponds to "manaus, in brazil" manoa and manaus share the same name, same river, border. and people could believe that manaus was the original manoa, which dissapeared.
the same happens with the other cities.
the same happens with the gods, with the holidays, the food, the drinks, etc
the constant is: the original concept was replaced by a fake one. (the opposite(the fake one) replaced the original).

the god born in december 25th, was replaced by another,then by another, etc.
then people is lost , and the original concept is eliminated, replaced by a fake one that took its place.

santa claus, satan, replaced christ in christmas day, which replaced another god that had holiday on that day.

there were a time when tibetans conquered china (where the dalai lama had wife from china as present), and now china conquered tibet.

the aramaic language, spoken by jesus... words like lamat, ... are in mayan.

telos, tula, latum..

in the previous iteration, the world was communicated, traded together across all continents, with buildings, artifacts, technologies, etc.

Scythian main gods, Tabitha..(t b th) goddess of fire and the hearth, shares same code with Tibet..(t b t).

At 2020, the IQ of new generation have been reduced 20 points... and will continue being lowering. fooler people are easy to manage, to return to be full slave, to depopulate them.

that is why in buddhism, common people is compared with animals.
that is why in lhasa, tibet , it is the sculpture in the temples of the deer that arises...

that is the prometheus, the maat, or the one who rebelled vs the sumerian gods who created them as slaves.

tart+arians, trt ,code of earth,terra, tierra, eart,jord (danish... note: jordania, jord-anians)
tartar+ians

th= divinity, like the theos, thao, zeus
scythians it is said that as named by the greeks...
scythians=sky+th+ians. ians, gods from sky, the divines ones from sky.

so, this points that the scythians are like in the sumerian myth: the ones that came from sky, (previous rulers)
and the tartarians, are like the descendants in the sumerian myth: the ones that correspond to this earth, the ones born in the earth, from this earth.

the firtst ones made the big things, buildings, water deposits, channels, etc.

ah

sha... sand...
there were a shah of persia....shah,ruler.

babel, there is a tower in basel...
 
greengrey said:
hi, the title of the book seems very interesting.

it is said that sentences in mayan are in sanskrit.
but mayan is also chinese. (mayan book of the death, translates mayan directly to chinese)

I speak spanish.
english, french, spanish, are linked to latin system.
but english used the german system to build the verbs. (run ran =rennen rannen, drink drank=trink trunk, etc)

roman and greek have crossed words that precede the equivalent in the other language, which shows that the timeline of roman and greek languages are not what the masses believe.

it is said that
a,i,u original sounds.
e,o second sounds.

tartarians include arian in their name. vowels a,i
iberians includes erians in their name. arians that are not the original, a concept adopted. the e is a second generation.
iberians, siberians, liberians.... =erians...
hiber...hibrid.

adopted words in spanish goes to e.

i have found that the past of the verb to be in spanish, and the past of the ver to go in spanish is the same,
past of I was is "Yo fui", past of I go is "yo fui", which is equal in spanish.

it is different from the "I think, ergo I am" ( i think, therefore I am) which justify their existence.

" I go" is a geographically movement: from one place to another place.

the spanish languages said "I went, therefore I was" (past of I, then past of I am). their existence is justified as they went from one place to another.
that is inserted at the core of the spanish language.


for me, languages should start simple and then get complex over the time, as they agglomerate, add, or join more concepts.

I see that sanskrit and other languages with all their declinations are complex, then those were not the original language.
those fit in the divide and conquer (babel tower- multiple languages to divide people)

babylon, baal, baba, papá, father...
then baal is not that the dogma teaches.

every iteration repeats the same tales, but there is a geographical movement.
for example, "manoa, el dorado" previously was in another place. and in this iteration corresponds to "manaus, in brazil" manoa and manaus share the same name, same river, border. and people could believe that manaus was the original manoa, which dissapeared.
the same happens with the other cities.
the same happens with the gods, with the holidays, the food, the drinks, etc
the constant is: the original concept was replaced by a fake one. (the opposite(the fake one) replaced the original).

the god born in december 25th, was replaced by another,then by another, etc.
then people is lost , and the original concept is eliminated, replaced by a fake one that took its place.

santa claus, satan, replaced christ in christmas day, which replaced another god that had holiday on that day.

there were a time when tibetans conquered china (where the dalai lama had wife from china as present), and now china conquered tibet.

the aramaic language, spoken by jesus... words like lamat, ... are in mayan.

telos, tula, latum..

in the previous iteration, the world was communicated, traded together across all continents, with buildings, artifacts, technologies, etc.

Scythian main gods, Tabitha..(t b th) goddess of fire and the hearth, shares same code with Tibet..(t b t).

At 2020, the IQ of new generation have been reduced 20 points... and will continue being lowering. fooler people are easy to manage, to return to be full slave, to depopulate them.

that is why in buddhism, common people is compared with animals.
that is why in lhasa, tibet , it is the sculpture in the temples of the deer that arises...

that is the prometheus, the maat, or the one who rebelled vs the sumerian gods who created them as slaves.

tart+arians, trt ,code of earth,terra, tierra, eart,jord (danish... note: jordania, jord-anians)
tartar+ians

th= divinity, like the theos, thao, zeus
scythians it is said that as named by the greeks...
scythians=sky+th+ians. ians, gods from sky, the divines ones from sky.

so, this points that the scythians are like in the sumerian myth: the ones that came from sky, (previous rulers)
and the tartarians, are like the descendants in the sumerian myth: the ones that correspond to this earth, the ones born in the earth, from this earth.

the firtst ones made the big things, buildings, water deposits, channels, etc.

ah

sha... sand...
there were a shah of persia....shah,ruler.

babel, there is a tower in basel...
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The Muscogee Creek tribe in Eastern Oklahoma was relocated there by forced marches from Georgia. They built many mounds and other stone structures in Georgia, and then some smaller more rudimentary mounds in Eastern Oklahoma. Their language is a 99% match for the Mayan language. Most mainstream historians will insist that the Mayans never made it that far north, but as Charles Lasalle points out, the languages don't lie.
Sonofabor said:
I'm looking for Charles Lasalle and not reading the book. This is frustrating.

Google assures me that he and Edwards Sylvester Ellis are one and the same (bottom right):

Unfortunately, I can't confirm this easily. But if Charles Lassalle is Edward Sylvester Ellis, then I become suspicious about the production of this book, Origin of the Western Nations & Languages.

Like a 19th century exhibition, the collected works of "Edward S. Ellis" span key categories of the modern world-- profusely so. Ellis wrote about the wild west, steam punk, US presidents, world history and philology-- all while teaching and administering schools.

Take this bit for example: "Ellis was a very prolific writer, producing at first chiefly fiction. Besides writing for Beadle, he wrote also for the Fireside Companion, Saturday Night, Family Story Paper, New York Weekly, Frank Leslie's Boys' and Girls' Weekly, Golden Days, Golden Argosy, etc. His juvenile stories had an enormous sale, ranking with those of William T. Adams and Horatio Alger. Later he wrote an arithmetic and a physiology, and also some fifty large quarto volumes of history, containing tens of thousands of pages and thousands of illustrations. Some of his miscellaneous books were: "Continental Primary Physiology" (1885), "Eclectic Primary History of the United States" (1885), "Youth's History of the United States," four volumes, 1,516 pages and hundreds of illustrations (1887), "School History of the United States" (1892), "Great Leaders and National Issues" (1896), "History of Our Country" (1896), "People's Standard History of the United States," six volumes (1898), "The Story of South Africa" (1899), "Library of American History" in nine volumes with 1,200 illustrations, "Young People's Imitation of Christ" (1905), "A School History of New Jersey" (1910), "A History of the German People" (in collaboration with Home and Keller), fifteen volumes and some 6,000 pages (1916), "The Story of the Greatest Nations" (in collaboration with Home), ten volumes, and various other books. I regret very much that I did not have a book like Ellis' "Youth's History of the United States" when I was a boy, in place of a history that was simply a mass of names and dates of battles, as are, I am afraid, many of the modern school histories."

At this point, I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but I wager Mr. Ellis (Lassalle) was an intelligence creation. He and his team spun yarns for the people intelligent enough to wake up from the weird stupor of the late 19th century-- filling their heads with fantasies that would last a life time.
See CM Russell.

I should also note that this name, Ellis, is big in the peerage.


In Portland, Oregon the Ellis family is like the Gates family in Seattle. In fact, Ellis, Jr has a Gates (and a Lee) as advisors on his business projects.

Ellis, Jr-- of course-- went to Harvard and immediately published an expose on skinheads in Portland after he graduated. I can't find any reference to that front-page series of undercover investigative articles in this search. That is strange. It was hyped for sure at the time-- 1987 or so.

I knew Barnes, and I knew Portland. But I never knew any neo-Nazi skinheads in Portland, Oregon.

Same as it ever (never) was....
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So, basically in the time it has taken me to read this book, Ellis would have written 5 more, lol. There is nothing in Origin of the Western Nations and Languages that would lead me to believe it was written under a pseudonym. He even makes reference to other prominent philologists of his day, as if they all were familiar with each other. That's exactly what I would expect for a niche discipline like philology, which means that other language experts would have known Lasalle wasn't his real name. I really don't understand what the point would be of concealing your identity to write non-fiction books on relatively non-controversial subjects in a niche discipline. It's not like this or many of his supposed other titles would have been best-sellers.

It seems fairly obvious that the PTB are either attempting to hide the existence of millions of missing people or as KD implies, mass producing pseudo-histories to fill in the gaps and paint a false historical narrative. The problem I have with that is the apparent veracity of the claims in this particular work. Granted, the author references some places, people, and races that I've never heard of, but the ones I recognize check out. Like most of what I've found wandering around on this site over the last year and a half, it's all so incredibly fascinating.
 
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