I'd agree with the NPC argument in that these people are at a certain level in their spiritual development, as is promoted by Gurdieff, Steiner and referenced here by Guenther. Organic Portals - Soulless HumansThanks for the TLDR version. It makes sense.
I don’t necessarily believe in hauntings or curses per se. I do think there may be some force in the universe operating in a similar vein though, one which may present as a curse to us not familiar with its mechanics.
I also think that most people are NPCs… not in the strict sense though. I think that their programming prevents them from questioning authority or thinking critically. It’s really pretty sad.
I would say that these are the people that allow history to be stolen, but at the same time I haven’t done a damned thing myself to stop it
“A considerable percentage of the people we meet on the street are people who are empty inside, that is, they are actually already dead. It is fortunate for us that we do not see and do not know it. If we knew what a number of people are actually dead and what a number of these dead people govern our lives, we should go mad with horror.”
– G.I. Gurdjieff
“Dr. Rudolf Steiner: That little girl L.K. in the first grade must have something really very wrong inside. There is not much we can do. Such cases are increasing in which children are born with a human form, but are not really human beings in relation to their highest I; instead, they are filled with beings that do not belong to the human class. Quite a number of people have been born since the nineties without an I, that is, they are not reincarnated, but are human forms filled with a sort of natural demon. There are quite a large number of older people going around who are actually not human beings, but are only natural; they are human beings only in regard to their form. We cannot, however, create a school for demons.
A teacher: How is that possible?
Dr. Rudolf Steiner: Cosmic error is certainly not impossible. The relationships of individuals coming into earthly existence have long been determined. There are also generations in which individuals have no desire to come into earthly existence and be connected with physicality, or immediately leave at the very beginning. In such cases, other beings that are not quite suited step in. This is something that is now quite common, that human beings go around without an I; they are actually not human beings, but have only a human form. They are beings like nature spirits, which we do not recognize as such because they go around in a human form. They are also quite different from human beings in regard to everything spiritual.
Yes, I was arguing this last night. The church set the boundaries for our scientific paradigms which are finite and corrupted until the time is right. Things only come clear when that boundary is breeched by 'The Singularity' or an intuitive jump perhaps by enough people. (Single eye/Kundalini.)I do believe that science has set boundaries for our minds. Artificial boundaries.
Yes- the church's will. They have a mission to 'build the modern world' in time for the new age, which requires a new consciousness.perhaps our world is the result of some being’s imagination or will.
I love this, it's so true. "The Source, It's Coming" is absolutely right, but it is very real magnetospheric radioactivity from... Uranus! It sounds like a joke, but it's not.We concurred that the more we research these topics, the more profoundly "spiritual" we have become.
The gods (planets) were definitely present on 9/11: Saturn, Mars and Pluto, all serious, war-mongering, deadly gods facing off that day in the heavens, and Ketu, Rahu too, which are important points in Vedic astrology. It's not just Greek gods, it's the same gods (planets, or electromagnetic influences) through history, given different names. Knowing the names is vital because it's the only way to understand the nature of the 'beast'. Tropical, or western astrology has been corrupted - the equinoctial precession was left in the past. Vedic has kept up.and the Gods might have been present.
They become 'as' gods.Do people become gods?
Ancient Vedic knowledge says Moksha: release from the cycle of birth and death ( called 'Samsara'). The experience itself tells you when it happens. One must be ready to die so total faith is useful, and it will all be laid out. Quite a trip.you have enough knowledge to get out-- a permanent pass but to where?
Not necessarily. The new gods emerge in us. The myth of the Crystal Skulls is when enough people have reached the 'crystallised pineal' and can transmit their knowledge/consciousness to others. There is literal calcite crystal in the 'Crystal Cave' of the brain (as the Tao fellows call it). We are cruising on fumes from very high ancient knowledge, deliberately crashed in this iron age.And from where will the new gods emerge? Like the gods of old, from mountain and sea, silicon. The consciousness of people, having been uploaded into the matrix, Silicon is now prepared to emerge and spread his seed.
In this condition are we in any condition to ascend?
They were inspired by Ouranos (our Uranus) (aka Greek god of the sky, Heaven). God of electricity, rebellion, mental studies, astrology and unpredictable af. He was once called the god of gods. See link above.Where did all the educated people who invented just about everything we have today come from?
Yes, we hadn't been dumbed down and filled up with fake science, poison food/medicine/water and junk dogma.Did we have greater intellectual capacity in the past?
Share what you know to those who can hear. Knowing there are seekers around helps enormously and inches us closer to the 'Crystal skulls'.Maybe we, who see the edge of the matrix, really have a job to do. What is it?
Maybe they were priming us to think spatially. Forcing or helping the mind outside of the known bubble of regular life.Did Star Trek set the boundaries or was it (the show and its ideas) a collective expression of all of us who were already ill at ease
From a certain perspective, it's just nature, naturing.I guess the bush that I’m beating around is maybe this isn’t as nefarious as it seems
That's because it's esoteric. The irony is it's only comprehensible when consciousness is near completion. Pretty cruel really, but that's the Iron Age or Kali Yuga.When I read Genesis, or religious text in general, I can’t help but feel that the writings are of an alternate reality...
One that I am unable to relate to.
The burning bush is the vagus nerve connecting the heart with the brain. In 'Realisation' it feels like it's on fire. It's an electrical phenomenon and feels like being in love, and/or going crazy, soul depending.As much as I know it is cultural-specific, that culture and its burning bush demi-god have had enormous influence everywhere.
I've never looked into the Concave Earth theory. I fell into flat earth for several weeks, and learned enough to surmise that the globe theory as they present it is a load of malarkey, but the theory itself was full of holes aside from the absence of curvature. A couple of years after that, I found Wim Carrette (Godgevlamste) and his crater earth theory research, which is much more compelling IMO, yet I'm not all on board yet. Brilliant man, tho; A Seeker, like the rest of us. Will check out Concave theory next. Thanks for sharing!Let's remember, this divergence from the original topic of this thread went like this: Sonofabor wanted a thread for us to discuss "How did they manage to alter our history?" And so, I thought we were going to be discussing whether they merely used conventional means to forge all the 'historical documents' (such as paid writers and forgery accomplices) or whether they had computers already (in the 1500s, 1600s, 1700s, 1800s, or whenever it was in which we theorize they did this huge forgery project) helping them write all the 'historical' stories, or whether we have to consider even more far out unconventional means to explain things (such as some kind of parallel universe jumping time machine style powers or something). And also, when we say "they", are we talking about merely the wealthiest humans who became even wealthier after each apocalyptic reset by having the resources and preparation and thus ability to survive better (through having homes in relatively safer locations, which I guess would be higher mountain tops?) and then the resources to sail around the world grabbing ('founding') all the best land and buildings remaining from the previous civilizations. Or, when we say "they", are we talking about the 'aliens/gods' who no doubt created/altered us modern-day humans? Or, when we say "they", are we mistakenly failing to recognize there is a combination which should be separated: the wealthiest humans might have merely used paid writers to forge the bullshit-stories-of-what-happened which we call 'history' (which we should really call 'accounts of history', since history originally meant "what happened", but now history is just "accounts of what happened"), while the 'aliens/gods' might have used totally different means (either before, during, or after the BS put out by the human paid writers) to rewrite accounts of history using help from their higher-level computers, and again, when we start allowing for the possibility that 'aliens/gods' were involved then suddenly the possibility of unconventional 'metaphysical' 'magical to us' means of altering documents and even altering the past itself becomes a discussion point. And then there is the question of whether there are/were various differing/competing 'aliens/gods' over the past millions of years here at this location we call Earth, and if so, were/are some of them malicious while some of them were/are benevolent, or were/are they all always malicious. Or, going back to the 'they' question again, are we wrongly using the label of 'aliens/gods' when perhaps all the seemingly-amazing-feats (whether DNA manipulation of humans over time, history manipulation, buildings creation, technology creation) might all have been simply plain old humans, a specific group of humans who simply have managed to hold on to a little more of the culture/knowledge which humans accumulated over the past millions/billions/trillions of years, which makes such humans SEEM like 'aliens/gods' when compared to us regular orphan humans who were born into this most recent post-reset world of lack of true knowledge.
Those are the kind of questions which I thought Sonofabor wanted to discuss in this thread: How were all the accounts of history forged/altered (meaning what conventional or unconventional methods might have been used) and when we say 'they' WHO are we referring to: aliens/gods or merely wealthy humans with more technology than us regular humans?
I noticed the conversation was drifting away from what I saw as the original topic, so my original intent in posting on this thread was to help bring the topic back to the original topic, and thus I tried asking Sonofabor if my understanding of the original topic was close to his original intent. But while doing so, I had to use the word 'aliens', which made me realize I should make it clear I wasn't talking about 'aliens flying in from outer space', since that would be perpetuating the hoax of the conventional space-surrounding-a-convex-ball falsehood. And since most folks think there are only two options: convex ball, or flat earth, I felt an obligation to mention what I see as the third and more realistic option, namely: concave earth. And now suddenly here I am, plainly guilty of dragging this thread off-topic into trying to prove we live inside a concave bubble. OK, about concave earth: I posted the 9 videos (all very short) which I feel best illustrate the basic idea of concave earth (which again, simply was brought up to dispel the idea of aliens flying in from outer-space, since outer-space is merely a 12,000km ball of various lights spinning inside this concave bubble) and I posted WildHeretic's archived site (where there are 18 links on the upper LEFT side, which go into the details of WildHeretic's ideas about concave earth). And I'll post right now a few more images to help answer the question of why would light bend within the concave earth (basically, in my opinion, there are various reasons why light would be bending: a little bit of bending can be explained by the 'refraction' of light bouncing off particles in the sky, even more bending can be explained by the layer(s) of glass inbetween us and sun lamp, and finally - but most importantly - I think the proponents of concave earth have forgotten to realize/mention the biggest reason why light would bend so much within the concave earth, namely: the light bounces off the concave earth itself. Meaning, when the lamp is directly over your head, that light illuminating the area close to you is quite straight, but when you look off to the distance in any direction (the 'horizon') the bending happens more there since you're looking towards where the light is of course being bounced away due to the shape of the concave earth itself. Mentally place a flashlight INSIDE a basketball, now imagine how the light will hit one spot inside that basketball directly yet at the same time bounce away from that one spot in a way which accumulates into an effect which can be called 'bending-light'.
Anyway, here again is the site which goes into the most detail of the various details of the concave earth idea:
WildHeretic.com (archived)
And here are some images/ideas to ponder:
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But now, having said/shown all that, shall we now get back to the original topic of this thread?
HOW did 'they' alter our (written accounts of) history?
Thank you. I recently subbed to his channel and have watched a few videos so far. I didn't realize there were things on Archive.. good stuff.For a most sustained and compelling Gnostic take on the Mandela Effect, check out: John Lash.