Urban Fires of the past vs. Wildfires of today

I don't know if it was you who started noticing trees still standing after fires of different supposed origins (from wildfires to atomic bombs) raged through cities in the past but I certainly read it for the first time here years ago. Now I see various people pointing it out in regards to the recent Hawaian "wildfires" and other people being intrigued and asking even more questions. So maybe we are on the verge of some collective arise in consciousness.

I think we collectively noticed many suspicious inconsistencies related to the urban fires.

Hawaii 2023

• In early August 2023, a series of wildfires broke out in the U.S. state of Hawaii, predominantly on the island of Maui. The wind-driven fires prompted evacuations, caused widespread damage, and killed at least 99 people in the town of Lāhainā; at least 1,300 people remain missing and the death toll from the fires could double or triple in the upcoming days. The proliferation of the wildfires was attributed to dry, gusty conditions created by a strong high-pressure area north of Hawaii and Hurricane Dora to the south.
• In early August 2023, a high-pressure system remained north of the Hawaiian Islands. This formed strong surface pressure north of the islands, and also sustained stabilization across the region, creating warm and sunny conditions.
• Concurrently, Hurricane Dora began to intensify to Category 4 strength, which may have helped to create a large pressure difference between the high-pressure area and the low-pressure cyclone. This pressure difference would have aided in already significant trade winds moving southwest, and formed strong gradient winds over the islands.
• East winds of 30–45 miles per hour (48–72 km/h) with gusts over 60 miles per hour (97 km/h) were forecast. In Maui County, officials reported gusts up to 80 miles per hour (130 km/h) in the Upcountry Maui area.
  • 2023 Hawaii wildfires - Wikipedia

Peshtigo 1871

• The Peshtigo fire was a large forest fire on October 8, 1871, in northeastern Wisconsin, United States, including much of the southern half of the Door Peninsula and adjacent parts of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. The largest community in the affected area was Peshtigo, Wisconsin, which had a population of approximately 1,700 residents. The fire burned about 1.2 million acres and is the deadliest wildfire in recorded history, with the number of deaths estimated between 1,500 and 2,500.
• On the day of the Peshtigo fire, a cold front moved in from the west, bringing strong winds that fanned the fires out of control and escalated them to massive proportions.
• A firestorm ensued. In the words of Gess and Lutz, in a firestorm "superheated flames of at least 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit ... advance on winds of 110 miles per hour or stronger. The diameter of such a fire ranges from one thousand to ten thousand feet ... When a firestorm erupts in a forest, it is a blowup, nature's nuclear explosion ...
  
  • Peshtigo fire - Wikipedia

KD: Just saying...

Under what conditions do you think the plastic headlight lenses can stay intact and windshild glasses and alloy wheels got melted down as seen on the photos?

If those are indeed plastic, I would look for a frequency.

I have read as a counter argument that plants may be harder to combust possibly due to be composed by a high percentages of water, but this is true for animal species as well and in any case just a month ago various fires spreaded all over Canada basically at the same time. What's the difference between Canadian trees and Hawaian trees? Are the first more easy to burn?

Here a video where it shows the simultaneous spreading of the fires in Canada plus more fires the same day in Mexico.

There is a new conspiracy spin on these Hawaii fires out there. The drink came out in 2019, but regardless... what are the chances?

Then again, what do we really know?


If tech with such capabilities does exist, then who's there to say it's not the same tech used to destroy cities in the 19th century?

And here is Spokane, WA now.

Just a warning or two:

Alex Jones claimed last week that the fires were due (not to DEWS) but to people (and their governments) not properly trimming their brush.

Ok, this is, like, strike 5 for old AJ with me.

Hawaii Gov. Josh Green: “There are Going to be Fires Month in and Month Out All Across the Country”

To be fair, we do not really know what it was. Yet, bush trimming sure appears to be irrelevant.

Some tech is definitely a suspect. This technology being available today is not something out of the ordinary. Could this tech be the old, being re-used, and ages old tech they used in the past?

This mountain dew thing is definitely turning into a legitimate conspiracy.

KorbenDallas said:

To be fair, we do not really know what it was. Yet, bush trimming sure appears to be irrelevant.

Some tech is definitely a suspect. This technology being available today is not something out of the ordinary. Could this tech be the old, being re-used, and ages old tech they used in the past?

This mountain dew thing is definitely turning into a legitimate conspiracy.

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KorbenDallas said:

If tech with such capabilities does exist, then who's there to say it's not the same tech used to destroy cities in the 19th century?

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Absolutely, 19th century and probably even further back.

For the sake of new readers, see this thread on 19th century fires.

KorbenDallas said:

If those are indeed plastic, I would look for a frequency.

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I can't recognize the car brand/model...but the design seems to be quite modern to have the headlight lenses made of glass.

AlgulSiento said:

Under what conditions do you think the plastic headlight lenses can stay intact and windshild glasses and alloy wheels got melted down as seen on the photos?

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KorbenDallas said:

If those are indeed plastic, I would look for a frequency.

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AlgulSiento said:

I can't recognize the car brand/model...but the design seems to be quite modern to have the headlight lenses made of glass.

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Right, nice ideas. To me, it looks like those headlight lenses that kept their shape might be borosilicate glass. That would place the max temperature of the heated environment at that car's location approximately somewhere between 1,221 and 3,000 degrees F (between aluminum and borosilicate glass melting temperatures).

That car might be an older model; I'm not sure what it is, either. A station wagon with boxy headlights (or, potentially, some kind of crossover if more modern). Little lip on at the front center of the hood. A little taller and curvier than a 1990 Subaru Leone wagon, but along similar lines? Maybe aftermarket headlight lenses? I'm no expert, but it looks a heck of a lot like some Tata Estate (India, 1992-2000) photos to my eyes.

According to a headlight maker, "Conventional cover lenses are generally made of glass." [0].

• A NIST volume says, "Headlight glass is a borosilicate glass....Lenses...are shipped from glassmaker to lampmaker." [1]
• Wikipedia says the melting temperature of borosilicate glass is about 3,000 degrees F. [2].

Autoweek says aluminum liquefies at 1,221 degrees F [3].

• Another website says aluminum-magnesium alloys melt at 1110 degrees F, and aluminum melts at 1220.58 degrees F.

Maybe windows are just regular tempered glass [5] melting at approximately 1100-1300 degrees F (a cooler melt point than aluminum), whereas the borosilicate headlamp lens glass might melt at about 3,000 degrees F [2]. This would not narrow the original temperature range estimate of 1,221-3,000 degrees F.

[0] Headlight lens components, types & regulations | HELLA
[1] Auto headlight glass: visible features of forensic utility
[2] Borosilicate glass - Wikipedia
[3] Liquified aluminum rims dramatically display power of Tennessee wildfires
[4] Melting Points of Common Materials | Toolbox | AMERICAN ELEMENTS ®
[5] Glass Melting Point? (Charts & 18 Things U Should Know)

Ok, now i get where this is going...

dramalyric said:

That car might be an older model; I'm not sure what it is, either. A station wagon with boxy headlights (or, potentially, some kind of crossover if more modern). Little lip on at the front center of the hood. A little taller and curvier than a 1990 Subaru Leone wagon, but along similar lines? Maybe aftermarket headlight lenses? I'm no expert, but it looks a heck of a lot like some Tata Estate (India, 1992-2000) photos to my eyes.

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I have identified the car: it is 3rd generation of Toyota 4Runner and it has a glass made lenses.

KorbenDallas said:

Fire and Fury: The Story of the Maui Fire and its Implications for Climate Change is a gripping and eye-opening account of one of the most devastating wildfires in Hawaii's history, and how it reveals the urgent need to address the global climate crisis.

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“It was just panic. People were crying on the side of the road and begging,” she said Thursday. “People jumped in each other’s (cars), people had bicycles, people ran, people had skateboards, people had cats under their arms … just sprinting down the street. The apocalypse was happening. It was the worst nightmare. Imagine the worst you can picture, and it was 1,000 times worse than that.”

And yet incredibly, amongst the carnage and chaos, the Catholic church stood tall.

• Maria Lanakia Church Lahaina Fire

The name of the book is so telling. 'They' have a few prophecies to fulfil...
A book supposedly written with interviews and published while the fires are still burning is one thing. But calling it Fire and Fury AGAIN is quite another. Now the link appears blocked and the page no longer exists on Amazon so they're messing with 'netizens'.
This is strange for a few reasons. Who put it up as a genuine book with 'Miles Stone' as the author. What a name. The doctor means he could be a doctor or a member of the priest class, given the etymology of the word doctor.

Some murky details taken from the same 'apocalypse' link above:
"While not much is known about Dr. Miles Stones himself other than the fact that his books are mainly biographies, this is not the first controversial book that he has penned. He seems to have written a few other books, including the biographies of Hunter Biden and Billy Walters, namely
The Life Story of Hunter Biden: The President’s Son – A Life of Tragedy, Drama, Addiction, and Scandal
and
The Life Story Books of Billy Walters: A Gambler, Entrepreneur, Criminal respectively."

There is nothing difficult in whipping up a backstory for any given name. So another clue is needed, and that is the ridiculously overused title 'Fire and Fury.'
I've looked in to Exodus and there are plenty of clues for the bible crowd but they're generally uncool with esoterism apparently, so can't get beyond a certain point. That's fine, not judging at all, but nothing can be put together without it.

'Fire and Fury' is like a meme or a calling card now. Maybe it's a secret message idk.
The peaceful protests against vax mandates in Wellington NZ turned in to a clash of peaceful protestors and police robots.
Shortly after the protests a rather self-important "journalist" produced an hilariously biased interpretation on how the protest was filled with unstable nut-jobs out for chaos, and guess what it was called... Fire and Fury.

On 15 August 2022, Stuff released a documentary on the Wellington protest as part of its Circuit documentary series entitled Fire and Fury. While Fire and Fury utilised these figures and groups' videos, social media posts, and media coverage, the documentary did not interview any of them to avoid giving them a platform.
According to the documentary's producer and journalist Paula Penfold, the production team had originally called the documentary The Inciters but had settled on Fire and Fury since the film looked at "those pulling the strings, rather than the freedom movement as a whole." In response, several of the aforementioned groups and individuals including deMent, Counterspin Media and Voices for Freedom claimed that Fire and Fury promoted deception but bolstered their support and causes.

It's as if they were doing it for a reaction. The above quote was from wiki.
Then one has the ongoing Trump saga:

Michael Wolff's book - Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House -
Wolff chose the title after hearing Trump refer to "fire and fury" when discussing the conflict with North Korea.
Sure he did.

With all of the loose ends in hand, I'm wondering the best way to tie them together to make a rope... And our current technology is 1/2 of the clue. The other 1/2 is a hunch that no matter how often I try and slough off as ridiculous, it returns with greater vengeance, and that hunch is finding a link to India, believe it or not.
I found the link to the Phoenicians and the Catholic church traced back to them- not as Indians per se- they are us- it's a long story and I'd be happy to link to it in a pm. It's a big picture and its easy to go off on a tangent...
To begin with, we are in the last pages of the Iron Age. The end of the Kali Yuga (Iron Age) and the dawn of the Satya Yuga (Golden age) happen simultaneously. Very dark time but with hints of a shining new world coming up from beneath the chaos. Or a dystopian nightmare, perspective depending.
Yes I have heard every conspiracy theory there is and absolutely believe there is more to it all.

Taking these Fire & Fury links, there is clearly a theme. The whole world is involved one way or another.
I haven't read the Trump book, haven't seen the documentary (the first few shots and music made it obviously a junk piece) and I couldn't get hold of Miles Stones freakishly timed Fire and Fury even if I wanted to.
His name is very suspicious. Milestone. 'Stone' is extremely significant in esoteric, alchemic, occult terms.

So- where does 'Fire and Fury' originate? Turns out it's the name of a group in India, a military group which has been around from the 1960's.
I've developed somewhat of a fixation with X (as in Gen.X too, so 1960's is right on the money) the symbol, the letter, the number- all of it.
But- about the Fire and Fury corps:

"XIV Corps or Fire and Fury Corps is a corps of the Indian Army. The 14 Corps looks after military deployment [...] and the frontiers with China, Pakistan and also guards the Siachen Glacier."
It has a '3rd Infantry division' but also an 8th mountain division. [Again highly significant numbers, as is the metaphoric/literal mountain.]
Exercise Changthang Prahar an Integrated Exercise of all Arms in Super High Altitude Area was conducted in September 2019.
The High Altitude Medical Research Centre (HAMRC), 153 General Hospital of the 14 Corps, is the highest multi-specialty hospital in the world along with 14 Corps Dental Unit being the highest multi-speciality dental unit in the world providing treatment in extreme climatic conditions.
The 8th Mountain Division was raised as the 8th Indian Infantry division of the British Indian Army. It is now part of the Indian Army and specialises in mountain warfare."

These are semi-random cut'n'pastes to show the general idea of the army is a high altitude, mountaineering corps.
From a symbolic point of view, holding on to the idea of the Kali Yuga in its original tongue (Sanskrit), and bringing fire and fury in to the game, at high altitude, forgive me for endlessly repeating myself, but these guys are proving over and over again that this is a spiritual war, and they will not stop until everyone all over the world knows it.

The new age will be so completely different from the last 6-7,000 years. The only history we know of is put together INSIDE the Kali Yuga or Iron Age period. Either we use what we see with our eyes, and good luck with that, or we start using words/sound/phonetics...
Even the absolutely ancient Rig Veda talks about this, the only truth to be found is in words, names, vibration, sound- the origin of everything. (The Word). I was doing stuff today and found these pages in a photo file. (And I just realised in the text photos the mention of the 'well-saids', which would be the 'Benedictines').
Afraid I can't remember where they were found, but'll attach a note if/when I find out.


Once I dismissed the dew weapons because I didn't think it was needed. Now I think yes, the tech. exists. Part of the new age is high technology. The people that rule over us are very religious, or at least deeply involved with Spirit and manipulation of the ether.
They're absolute masters. God-tier.

The good thing is Aquarius is right there, we're in it. The proof is in the dew and technology and how we communicate to each other.
We just have to stay clear of the fires, the furies and any fear that might casually drop by.

Verity said:

The good thing is Aquarius is right there, we're in it.

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Jason Breshears makes a good argument that the First Seal of the Apocalypse was broken in 2020. I reread The Book of Revelation this week, and I can add that the Lion of Judah is the only creature that, sufficiently, "prevailed" could break it. So strange. Is this what these controller types are doing (wittingly or not)? (My fundamentalist Christian friends tell me this lion is Jesus-- but that seems an ironic and convenient interpretation for those determined to take the Bible literally).

To know how the Aquarian Age and The Apocalypse fit together might reveal something about technologies across the ages and peoples.

Looking at the old maps of India to North Africa, it seems there have been rather terrible mistakes in judgment during previous ages, maybe some prior apocalypses and certainly the turnings of Ages.

My Chinese friends would insist on reincarnation. Maybe we've all seen all this before. Like you, I'd rather avoid the worst of it.

I personally believe that we have DEW technology, and that it’s capable of this level of destruction or worse.

The dots which I’m having trouble connecting are the “why DEW” dots. These fires are no doubt useful in many ways: clearing property, advancing climate agendas, etc… but if you dig deep enough you’ll find stuff like this:

Multiple arsonists arrested for Canada wildfires; Biden-Trudeau-Media blame climate change

The financial cost and the energy cost of using a DEW has to be far higher than A) paying some lunatic to start the fires or B) brainwashing some lunatic to start the fires or C) coordinating the perfect circumstances for the fires to begin autonomously.

Then logistically speaking, the fire spreads across Lahaina. Is that a controlled spread with more DEW bursts? The whole city wasn’t taken out at once according to the locals as there are many accounts of the spreading of fire.

We do have the blue roofs and blue umbrellas that didn’t burn… but we also have lots of red roofs that missed the blaze, and we have no clue if/how many blue things did burn.

It’s definitely not adding up to “natural disaster” but I also am having trouble rationalizing DEW myself just yet.

your photo is amazing.
intro:
now as all the trees are already maked by AI, (yes, AI already selects trees from satellite images. georeferenced. for CO2 tracking)

beam
1) your photo shows that the circular beam can focus, concentrate, fire the beam in a small area (red circle), stationary.(point)
2) the beam can be wider at different wides(orange and pink rectangles)
3) the bean works as continuous while traveling,displacement (orange and pink rectangles)

the beam fries

using metal for human cremation was a past centuries achievement

something commonly missing:

the melting point.
asphalt, has a very lower melting point that metals or glasses or bricks in houses,cars. items with lower melting points untouched.
but streets were untouched.
perfect aerial ,georeferenced +AI work to search and destroy.
human products: buildings, cars targeted precisely.
the directional beam trigggered accordly.

Well that photo is pretty convincing. I’ve never met a wildfire that drove down a road and burned a solitary house at the end.

I’m not saying DEW isn’t possible… in fact it appears probable based upon that, but could there be another explanation? Perhaps the electrical grid?